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Offline chris12

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As a philosopher...
« on: 12/12/10 @ 20:15 »
...what do people think of the logic behind this site:

http://www.givingwhatwecan.org/


Is the logic inescapable and thus everyone should join/participate?

(I have nothing to do with the site)

Offline Gareth Southwell

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Re: As a philosopher...
« Reply #1 on: 12/12/10 @ 21:40 »
Well, can logic dictate what we should do? I think I may be with Hume on this: there is a gap between is and ought. Just because giving 10% of income would save lives doesn't logically mean that we should. The "should" comes from empathy and the passions - and in that sense, if I could I would.
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Re: As a philosopher...
« Reply #2 on: 12/12/10 @ 22:50 »
Q: Am I morally obligated to call for help if I see someone in a car accident or experiencing a heart attack?

This is obviously from someone who does not know what the Objectivist view of selfishness is. Absolutely yes, you are morally obligated. If you have chosen to live in a society of human beings and your mode of survival depends on your trade with them then you have to value human life so far as it's not guilty or criminal to your knowledge. In that case if you know no evil about a person and no sacrifice is involved then only a psychopath would turn away from such cases. And that would mean besides all the psychological things a direct contradiction of the value of human life. You can't value your life and decide to live with others of your species and say, "They're nothing to me, I don't care if they live or die." That's self-contradiction.

See: http://www.peikoff.com/

Offline Gareth Southwell

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« Reply #3 on: 12/12/10 @ 23:47 »
Well, I'm not disagreeing with the conclusion. My point was to do with logic. Hume argued that morals aren't to do with logic alone, but are made up mostly of non-rational motives. So, I want to help someone out of empathy, and perhaps - as you say - because I recognise that there is a contradiction between valuing my own life and not valuing another in a social system where each of us is mutually dependent. However, this contradiction is not of a purely logical nature - like saying "2 + 2 = 5". The conflict comes at an emotional an empathetic level. I come to understand that others are beings like me who feel pain and suffering, and I DESIRE to ease their pain in recognition that it could be mine.

So, self-contradiction, perhaps, but in a limited sense. There is nothing logically self contradictory about valuing yourself and not others. It's the "free-rider" problem, isn't it: if everyone stole, then there would be no such thing as property; but what if only I steal? There is no problem, then.
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Re: As a philosopher...
« Reply #4 on: 16/12/10 @ 11:43 »
Here's an interesting paper from the site I linked to above....http://www.amirrorclear.net/academic/papers/forgoing-luxuries.pdf

Ought I to forgo some luxury whenever I can thereby enable someone else’s life to be saved?